With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. We have experienced together so much and it helps my mental developement so much and also your idea about loving and letting go interests me a lot. Moon in Aries/7th, Saturn in the 5th/Aquarius. It has been a long, hard road, but rewarding and with the planets in Cancer, SO hard to let go. However, it's recommended to do an individual birthchart analysis before analyzing the Synastry to see the personal needs and potential for maintaining a healthy relationship. We have Sun,mercury,venus and jupiter in 12th house virgo. Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. So much uncertainty and confusion!! The lack of posturing and display of ego gives others the chance to have a "day in the sun," endearing the 12th house sun to the person they gave the chance to shine. I read our full synastry report, using dual cosmodynes, and the outcome was very positive and harmonic, scoring pretty much above the average! Transit Neptune in the Composite 12th House. My natal Venus conjuncts composite IC and his natal Mars conjuncts composite MC. But, separate he has a Saturn Gemini 12th and I have a Mercury Scorpio 12th. We have Sun, Mercury, Venus, and Uranus in the 12th house in our composite chart. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. Good luck. We have a Sun, Venus, Ceres, Node, Lilith and Fortune in 12th house. Your emotions may also be cloudy and unclear at times, and your lack of boundaries may cause you trouble. The Davison chart is a time/space chart and is anchored in the here and now. along with Juno. This placement suppresses your deep subconscious a lot. I have a heavily involved 12th house with someone, in synastry, sun and sun/moon in each other natal and composite.shows Sun/Mar/Saturn. All that subconscious provoking of each other is very much a full time job and its preventing me from being successful in life and meeting a man that can offer the support i need to really fly. They might be very sneaky and test people a lot. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. This can happen in composites of unrequited love, where one person loves another who doesnt know he or she exists. I need all the help to understand I can get. (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). We have an interesting stellium in the 6th Uranus, Eros, Ceres, and Vertex all within a degree of each other. Whether the energy between them manifests positively or negatively has to do with aspects to Pluto in both charts and aspects with the North Node rulers. Lilith in partner's 12th house may represent emotional outbursts, manipulations and obsessions. When transit Saturn is in the composite 12th house, you may feel that old issues or subconscious issues in the relationship become more of a problem, and need to be worked on, understood, and moved on from. And yes, you need to put the natal charts around the composite to see how this is going to affect the individuals. But yes, the karmic and telepathic feelings are all there. Lilith may help 12th house to bring their subconscious patterns to light, or do the opposite and evoke more fear. Through the sixth house, you must learn to function in the world efficiently and take up the calling to serve Humanity. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for. (Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. The composite charts (both Davison and midpoint) need to be progressed. I found composite Saturn on the 12th house, trining the composite Sun/Venus/Merc on the 8th and sextile to the Moon on the 2nd. A recent class in assassins revealed that the victims often had many planets in the shooters 12th house. And I learned a lot too. Since Lilith is being hidden in the 12th . Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. Dawn, thank you for writing this article. Neptune is in the 4th, Libra. And you may then limit yourself for years, into oblivion. I can say with absolute confidence that you perfectly captured the essence of this energy. His north node in his 12th in pisces which means he will have to travel from a more material existence to a spiritual one in his lifetime, but that could take another 20 years. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. Hi Daw a strong karmic tie is indicated in the 12th house, or in the other water houses 4,8. HI, Sign up here if you would like to know when Dawn's Foundations e*book will be made available, The Composite Chart and the 12th House: The Ghost at the Door. Is there nothing better to hope for? Bright blessings to you. Thank you in advance. Well, I m afraid I am precisely one of those people you talk about in the article , who experiment this weird illusion of being in telepathy with the unrequired love of their life. The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). Talking about Fate! Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for.]. The house is famous for being the house of self-undoing, but it can also be the house where we find our fame and fortune. How does a Composite Sun or Ruler of the chart operate when their planets are in the 12th house but also also conjunct the Ascendant? Eventually, we learn that life is not as random as we thought, but full of purpose and meaning. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. Im in hawaii for a month, after he broke up with me for the last time, trying to get my strength and sanity back and assure myself that you should not have to TRY so hard for things to work, when these 12th issues come up to work on. Chiron. We romanticize all of this (and well, a little romance never hurt anyone) but the truth is that this familiarity is there to hurry up the bonding process so that the lessons and the challenges can be quickly assimilated. In synastry, the house the Moon is in will show the area of life that someone touches another on a deep and personal level. We still keep in touch as just friends occasionally, and sometimes I feel like I am having conversations with him in my head. This is where our own shadow meets the shadow of the collective. The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. When we left to go home I literally felt a piece of me inside left. Thank you very much Dawn. etc. what kind of compassion do you think can be generated from a composite mars in 12th house? Having someone else's planets in these houses (especially the 5 th, 7 th, and 8 th houses), conjunct the Vertex or not, indicate a high level of compatibility and intimacy. And would that mean -lets say- if this persons partners personal planets conjuncts to his north node would he lose the partner or would he lose god because he put that person (her planets) between himself and god! The fatedness of it all doesnt make sense at times, like union of the subconscious. His natal Venus in cancer is in my 12house. The working dynamic of the partnership is in the biwheel (how do you make me feel?) So, the composite Venus and Saturn are also in the 12th house. Thank you very much. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . We also have composite venus in the 12th house. This person and I believe were soulmates, and I would go further to say were twin flames as we share some many parallels in our lives, similarities, and all the other strange features of a twin flame relationship as describe by many. Hes Gemini sun . I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. Couples where the 12th is strong can often experiencewell, lets say itNeptunian weirdness. Im from a country in southamerica. Just endings in general. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. Watch out for substance abuse and addictions. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. I cannot think, sleep since i met him. Im a Pisces sun 7house. How ironic! When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. I was the Sun/Ascendant person, while he was the Lilith person. . Regine. VENUS IN HOUSE TWELVE Venus in the 12th house cultivates a spiritually profound form of love and a desire to experience love on a higher level. My daughter and I have a 12th house Sun-Moon conjunction (in Cancer) in our composite. You are interested in psychology, religion, spirituality too. When we split up I cried every day for a month. This is the empty space, the place where we are not like others, the place where the pieces dont fit. Its also trine to the moon and sextiling Uranus. Im not exactly sure what our future holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! I have a nice syntrastry with my boyfriend (im born 8/1/1983 and he is born 10/7/1982). Hello, Skye. Mysterious things attract you. I feel so relieved after reading it because I really thought i was crazy. Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. Mercury in 12th House. Thank you Dawn for this very interesting article. Have you any thoughts or words to share on the 12th house commonalities we have individually, and what impact it lends to us as a couple? There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? Once they have hammered out their imbalance (too little, too much is often a theme with the 12th) they must find a way to make something real of their inspiration. The twelfth house is associated with hidden emotions, and Lilith's influence adds an extra layer of complexity to this placement. The same person I've had mutual 12th house synastry with has sun in 12th house composite with me. We all find our gods where we can and must. But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. Saturn in 6th or 12th house in composite chart: This is a strong healing or service oriented relationship and you will work hard together for those purposes. But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change. We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met. sorry Ive made an error : it is not his descendant point, it is his IC point. thundered Most of my relationships are like that . They might not be opposed to using under-handed tactics in order to receive information or get what they desire. what can we do here? House position isnt as strong as the sign of the Moon. Neptune tries to tell us that we cant own anything permanently, and if we try to possess and not understand the message of universal love (love is its own reward) it will pry our grasping fingers off of whatever we are trying to hold on to. Either the energy of the planet is lost, confused, diffused and (at least in our early years) ineffective, or the planet can completely embody its archetype for all to see, often after overcoming great difficulties and reversals, sometimes in extreme circumstances. When transit Venus is in the composite 12th house, you may enjoy being affectionate with one another when no one else around is around to pry and its just the two of you in a personal relationship. I might even say hes one of the closest people to me. . Composite Pluto in the 9th house: There is an added layer of complexity to their combined life philosophy. On the one hand We are meant to be on the other, But if we are, why is it so hard?, When a couple has planets, or an important planet, in the 12th, it can go a couple of ways. Mars and Pluto certainly do about Scorpio. We are fated, but we are meant to part. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. Composite The relationship is deep and beautiful and in periods hard for us to be with each other. Its pretty rare. The inner planets are where we liveso yes, the 10th house stellium will have more influence on a day to day basis, and then once in a while the outer planets will come out to grab us with whatever their issues are, particularly by transit or progression to the stellium/12th. should i run away from this relationship? Thank you. If you dont like how someone operates, who cares how connected you are to them? Our midpoint composit cannot show any true about our relationship. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. Im afraid I cant get into it in this space (in the synastry course, we spend several lessons comparing the midpoint and Davison charts). The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. But also to wound each other? Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. Curious about the sexual response (if there will be anything), its friendly. Since each of us share a natal 12th house dominion, then repeated in a shared composite strength, what you have said in your 12th house explanations all seem to feel so true. Transit Pluto in the Composite 12th House. Ninety-three percent of her astro is in the 12th: the Sun, Moon, Mercury, Venus, Lilith, Jupiter, Saturn, and Uranus. Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. Hi Dawn, are you able to give me anymore insight or know where I might find more information about 12th house stellium in cancer planets are sun,moon,Mercury and Venus in my husband and my composite chart. You will both be changed deeply by it. When composite Lilith is placed in the eighth house of the composite chart, this makes the relationship between the two people very intense. When Venus occupies the 12th house, it highlights a more mature and sophisticated expression of love. Whitelotus. Composite Pluto in the 12th House With Composite Pluto in the 12th house, you may struggle over power and control in ways that aren't obvious. thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each others lives than ever. It is not so much a question of choice, more that the universe has chosen for them to be together (at least, thats what it feels like). The lower expression has to be elevated, and the higher expression needs to be realized. You're hypersensitive to energy and emotions in your environment, including the collective, if Chiron is in the 12th House.